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    Strange username for such a diatribe 'Vegasguy'

    Remember, being a democracy - there are a good number of people (including myself) who did NOT vote this president in either election. AND - I would go so far to say that there are a great number of those who DID vote him in that are very much regretting that decision.
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    Quote Originally Posted by slotplayer
    CNN? I think you mean Fox News?
    YIKES Fox News even worse!!! I suggest watching Prarie Public Television, BBC or some Canadian channel. This would cut down the unbaised reporting.

    Better yet perhaps Integrity news hour would be good!

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    Vegasguys - you should blame yourself, too. Europe has not done anything but stay on the side and watch.

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    When was the last time you could say anything negative about the government without people telling you that you are un-patriotic. Or without fear of being a "terrorsit"? Even people who were born and raised in this country could find themselves in Guantanamo tomorrow on terrorist charges.
    Guantanamo = the modern form of the Gulag ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulag )

    And did any of you ever stop and think: Hey, if Sadam had WMDs and we attacked him - wouldn't he point and fire those weapons at our troops, his own people or a neighbouring country?

    And what if there was another war to break out right now - where will we get troops? What if NKorea attacked today? All the troops are in Iraq, what we have are worn-out soldiers and math teachers to get drafted.
    Not to mention the economical implications of another full blown war - from which it will take generations to recover, if ever?

    Why is Europe staying on the sideline? Because it's beneficial for them. For America to work, they need to sell their products outside the country. And all this increases the animosity towards US and its products. Hell, even Americans rarely buy domaestic products now, otherwise the Big 3 in the auto business would not have been in such a bad shape, why Ford when you can buy Honda...
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    I will just say this to Mr.Vegasguy:

    Most Europeans --- no, most everyone around the world --- I've had the pleasure to deal with can easily distinguish between an American and the American government. As much as I have travelled, there are many good people all over this planet who detest those in Washington, DC, but treat me with friendship and respect.

    We Americans live in a strange paradox at times. The world looks to us for help with their needs as the last superpower who can do anything for them... then they will turn around and accuse us of being imperialist. Whatever.

    If you want to call America imperialistic fine. But when North Korea goes after someone... when China wakes up and starts to prowl... when Iran invades a neighbor... when bombs go off in Paris or Madrid or Rome... are you ready to go it alone?
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    There's two points of view depending on where a person was raised and how they view the world.

    Americans - They will obviously love thier country and with reason. Most people only have one country. The USA has gone a long way and has the potential to do a lot of good. It is the only major super power left and they grant a lot of freedom to thier people. They've also fought to help liberate Europe during the second world war.

    Non-American - From an outsider looking in, things are not quite as rosy. While the USA grants its people a lot of freedom, it seems that the wealthiest country in the world is a twisted place. They let a vice president directly profit from attacking other countries. They stock up on nuclear weapons while forbidding other countries to do so. They refuse to do anything that is for the greater good, such as signing the kyoto protocol to reduce green house gases, or to sign a landmine treaty. Landmines only target civilians and little children yet they refuse to sign this. When every other country helps Africa by distributing money to purchase local food the US forces Africa to accept genetically modified food that is more expensive to buy and illegal in most of the world. The reason for this aid is to help US corporations and to sell more pesticides.

    It's all about perspective.
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    Quote Originally Posted by antoine
    ...They let a vice president directly profit from attacking other countries...They stock up on nuclear weapons while forbidding other countries to do so...They refuse to do anything that is for the greater good: sign a landmine treaty ; genetically modified food...
    That may be true, but the people living here can do little about it. Hell, we can't even save online gaming when 80% of the people are in favor of it! But the truth is that whenever there's a world disaster the American people are some of the most caring and generous anywhere.

    Most Americans are so ignorant of the world outside their borders that they have no clue as to what's actually going on. It's not totally their fault, though. They've had years of inferior education... years of a pupeted news media... years of lie after lie from their government.

    Most Americans just go to work, pay there taxes, and want to be left alone. And that's exactly what Washington DC wants them to do! They are a product of American theology and fuel for the American economy.

    That said, my original point was to make certain the rest of you out there who can see America from the outside remember what was said above. Never... never equate the genuine, generous, caring (and I admit ignorant) people of this country with the evil and corrupt men & women who sit at it's helm.



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    Perspectives, you say?
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    i did quit politic discussion years ago, srry guys

    i wish you all luck gaja citizens
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    Quote Originally Posted by elgoog
    i wish you all luck gaja citizens
    Thank you

    About the posts;
    I have to agree with J Todd here. Most Americans are NOT aware of what's going on outside their borders and it IS thanks to the American media and lack of education. I have seen, however, more and more Americans looking at other news publications such as BBC to educate themselves. We do care and most of us 'regular joes' are NOT happy with what the current (and some past) administrations are doing. I think most of us just want peace and the rights our forefathers left us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by occ
    Thank you

    About the posts;
    I have to agree with J Todd here. Most Americans are NOT aware of what's going on outside their borders and it IS thanks to the American media and lack of education. I have seen, however, more and more Americans looking at other news publications such as BBC to educate themselves. We do care and most of us 'regular joes' are NOT happy with what the current (and some past) administrations are doing. I think most of us just want peace and the rights our forefathers left us.

    I would argue that most Americans don't have a clue about what's happening

    INSIDE the United States. Trillions are missing from the Pentagon and

    the American media is more concerned about the Britney Spears, and Paris

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    Hi Mojo, I respect that you feel the way you do about the US. However, I have been an expat for nearly 10 years and the United states has lost all credibility.

    Take a moment to step aside and you will see the world does not look friendly upon us and I agree with them, we are viewed as a war monger country, I miss the days of God Bless America stood for a proud country.
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