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    Hey All My CAP Friends,
    My site as well as Greek39's sites have been scraped and many others here at CAP. Deaning is right that this asshole should be banned from the forums here. I have been approached in the pass about joining 888.com's affiliate program. Guess what? I never will because they allow these thaings to continuely happen that are mention here almost everyday. I agree with Deaning that we must take a stand against this assholes.
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    So if the 888.com affiliate program is so poor (which I agree it definitely is, they're a bunch of crooks), why do you allow the ridiculous STICKY post to remain at the head of this Casino- On Net forum which states that they are "the most powerful and respected name in the online gaming industry" and their affiliates receive "unequaled support & assistance"?

    About time it was removed, I think - the Professor's words are ringing rather hollow these days...

    (or did they pay for that ad...?)

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    Egoistche, It seems that the third email you received was mistakenly sent by the support representative on duty that day.

    your account is actually currently closed, but due to the fact that no activities have taken place lately. If you wish to reactivate your account under the revenue share scheme, please contact our support to reactivate it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shoevenus
    So if the 888.com affiliate program is so poor (which I agree it definitely is, they're a bunch of crooks), why do you allow the ridiculous STICKY post to remain at the head of this Casino- On Net forum which states that they are "the most powerful and respected name in the online gaming industry" and their affiliates receive "unequaled support & assistance"?

    About time it was removed, I think - the Professor's words are ringing rather hollow these days...

    (or did they pay for that ad...?)

    shoevenus

    Hmm. Your first post appears to be an inflammatory attack which asserts amongst other things that 888.com are crooks. Not very helpful at all.

    If you actually did your research you would find that whilst 888 may not be the best casino out there to either play at or promote, they are an honest operation - If they were not, not only would their licence in Gibraltar be revoked, but their share price would go free fall pretty quickly. In addition as a publically listed company on the LSE, they are as transparent as can be.

    That said, I choose not to promote them, due to the fact there are other casinos, which are better value for players IMHO. I.E: It doesn't take over a week to cash out your winnings for example.

    With regards to their Affiliate Program, I have little to no knowledge of it, other than what I read here on CAP. But it is apparent they have been targetted by affiliate fraud on a large scale due to the incentivised CPA they were offering to new affiliate signups. Something, thankfully they have now removed.

    The scraper issue is a seperate issue altogether and is something that the affiliate program managers need to get a handle on pretty quickly and be seen to be more proactive, if they wish not to lose confidence amongst the majority of the affiliate community.
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    Its not often I disagree with you views Webzcas, but I do in this instance, so do others. It has been said 888.com is reluctant to closed down scraper affiliate sites if they are generating good revenue. Also the links I posted are just from one site all redirects to 888.com. I gave the description tags in hopes of some other honest webmaster would recongnize them and take action. Why would a scraper do this, is this the most profitable scenerio for a scraper.

    I ask myself does 888.com really need any affiliate these days to be profitable? I have mounds of info which I have not posted. I have called them crooks as well, if this is a inflammatory statement I would be more than willing to meet 888.com in court.

    Look into it a little deeper and you will draw the same conclusions. But still their remains a vey liitle doubt. You know what its like to get burnt we all do. This time around I won't the commission earned by the affiliate scraper. Respectfully yours Greek39
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    Oh don't misunderstand me Greek. I believe 888.com need to get a handle and quick on all their affiliates of which there are many who they seem to turn a blind eye to that scrape sites left right and center. They are by far the worst program in this regard in my view.
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    You're right, Webzcas, it is my first post. But I'm no stranger to CAP - I've been reading these forums for well over 6 months. I've just never contributed before. I'm also no stranger to 888.com - last year along with many other affiliates I received their now-famous 'letter-of-death', informing me that my players were 'bonus-abusers' etc etc - same old garbage as everyone else.

    They witheld around $84000 commission and I haven't seen a penny of it.

    For the record - I don't think it's INCENTIVIZED cpa that has been the isuue with 888. Their terms and conditions only ever allowed incentives when negotiated with them directly on a case by case basis. It was just their straight cpa deal which generated the problems, along with their bonus policy. Their deposit & withdrawal allowed (and in fact, STILL allows) people to deposit $200, receive a $200 bonus, and then withdraw the deposit again, leaving just the bonus to play with.

    Lots of us signed people up by pointing this out - you couldn't lose! You were only playing with their money. Who wouldn't? I was getting 10-15 new players per day.

    I know some members of this forum may try to take the moral high ground here (laughable when the truth is, in this industry we ALL live off other people's broken lives) and say this approach to affiliating is wrong, but in fact it is the 888.com SYSTEM which is wrong because it allows this activity, and then penalises affiliates for exploiting it. If they don't want people to use the system in this way, they shouldn't set it up this way!

    To this day, you can STILL open an account with 888, get the bonus, cash out your deposit and play with THEIR money. If they were REALLY bothered by this, they would have stopped it by now. In fact, I suspect that over time, even these players make an average profit for 888, as a percentage of them decide to give it another go with their own cash. Even better when 888 don't have to pay for them.

    So, they call the players 'bonus abusers' and shut affiliate accounts.

    Great way to run a business.

    Not.

    I'm sorry if my first post caused offence to anyone (except 888, they can be as offended as they like, the more the better). But when you're $84000 down you get a little bitter, yes?

    Thanks for your support, Greek.
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    Yes I would be a little bitter if the amount is $84000. I would check you links for scrapers if you find any please PM me, I collect them for amusement. Most are coming from the same server. This would only help in the current situation.

    I don't beleive Shelly to be dishonest, but I do beleive there are things she cannot control. greek39
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    In response to Shoevenus' post:
    It is true that our system allows players to enjoy a generous bonus, but that fact should be used to approach users who are actually interested in playing. It is true that we do see bonus abusers come in from almost every marketing channel we utilize, but there are specific channels where the bonus abusers are the majority of the users referred. Our experience reviles that in most cases, the wording or the promotion in these channels was appealing more to the bonus abuser than to the average player.



    Our intention is not to "rip-off" the affiliate in not paying. We do not pay the commissions since we are being "ripped off" in these cases as well. In any of these cases we immediately stop the campaign so that we cease to appear in that marketing channel.

    The whole concept of affiliation must base on as win-win situation; it is a responsibility that must be taken into account by the affiliates as well.
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    The whole concept of affiliation must base on as win-win situation; it is a responsibility that must be taken into account by the affiliates as well.
    Correct Shelly and something that 888.com seriously needs to take on board. Not only has your lucrative incentivised CPA exposed 888.com to affiliate fraud on a large scale. By having this, you also promote the pond scum of the internet to scrape honest hardworking webmasters sites by the thousand - In the hope that they can generate massive profits from your lucrative CPA deal off the back of others hard work.

    So not only are 888.com hurting themselves, you are also hurting countless sites which do not even promote your casinos or poker room.
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